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« Thread started on: Nov 1st, 2004, 7:23pm »

Hello, I am a newbie. My name is Paris and although I am yet to actually see a UFO I am quite convinced the phenomena is real. I have devoted literally thousands of hours of study to the topic (and those that relate), and my opinion is you would have to have your head buried in the sand not to realize that there is an abudance of strange things in the sky over our little planet. Mountains of evidence compiled over decades by intelligent, sincere people from all over the globe are simply dismissed and/or ridiculed by people either afraid or flat-out ignorant. Anyway, hi I'm paris undecided
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« Reply #1 on: Nov 1st, 2004, 7:58pm »

Also I would like to add, the study of UFO’s at some point it seems requires a bit of a “hard turn”. I discovered that the further I researched the topic, the more metaphysical the material became. Anyone aware of Drunvalo Melchizedek? Interesting story. I have not made the leap into this system of belief but I am quite versed in the area. Anyone?
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 1st, 2005, 3:04pm »

I totally agree that they exist and am fascinated by them,never seen one though,but definatly belive in them
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« Reply #3 on: Feb 2nd, 2005, 6:51pm »

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Mountains of evidence compiled over decades by intelligent, sincere people from all over the globe are simply dismissed and/or ridiculed by people either afraid or flat-out ignorant.


I don't know that I'd say that there's a mountain of evidence. Certainly photographs and video can be faked, and have been. I would say that there's a tremendous amount of garbage out there, that you really have to sift through to get to the really interesting stuff.

Not a debunker here, I just like to sweep away the wheat from the chaff cause I want to be looking at the real stuff. wink
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 3rd, 2005, 12:05am »

There is a mountain of evidence. Unfortunately, niether you nor I have seen it. Wouldn't we all like to see what your own government's Air Force has, for example, recorded as video from their gun cameras? How's about some of the stuff NASA has tucked away, and much of that from their own personell? The reliability, integrity, and professionallism of most of today's witnesses cannot come into question. The same, however, cannot be said of today's photographic or video evidence that comes from the private sector. Been to a movie lately? What's real, and what's not? The best evidence of this type many now believe has come from the 40's and 50's-the golden age of flying saucer awareness-simply due to the lack of available technologyat that time. Ah, but for one good shot of video from my new Kodak 8mm B&W-or how about that new color chrome model-home movie camera! Those videos were easy to fake, but just as easy to prove as fake. Does Zapruder ring a bell? It is sad, but the only real proof that will ever be considered unquestionable, will be the solid disc shaped object that someone has the courage to actually -by whatever means-BRING DOWN!
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 3rd, 2005, 6:11pm »

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Unfortunately, niether you nor I have seen it.


But if no has seen it then it isn't evidence. But I understand what you're saying. I'm certain the government is continuing to investigate UFO's and I would say that there would be something severely wrong with National Security if they didn't.

And I'm probably one of the few folks who think that keeping it secret may be a good idea. For various reasons. I don't think the general public is yet ready for this kind of revelation with the exception of a few of us, take a trip through the Bible Belt and talk to a few folks and you'll see what I mean. I could really see Orson Wells happening all over again.

Also, it's government's job to keep military secrets, for the defense of its people. If our military does have alien technology, then I doubt it would be prudent to release this information in today's world political climate. We don't want our enemies to have access to this information as well.

And if the government itself isn't certain what it's dealing with yet, then it would be unwise and even irresponsible for them to make such an announcement at this point in time. Just my opinion.

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The reliability, integrity, and professionallism of most of today's witnesses cannot come into question. The same, however, cannot be said of today's photographic or video evidence that comes from the private sector.


This is in part what I meant by there being a tremendous amount of garbage to sift through, tabloids notwithstanding. The couple living on the farm who sees lights in the sky, while they may be sincere, just isn't enough for me in this day in age.

For myself, I would say the Disclosure Project has done a good job of compiling compelling circumstantial evidence that is available to the public. Certainly the witness accounts from Military personell, police, firemen etc, have a higher degree of legitimacy not only because of their stature in the community, but also because they have been trained in a manner that would allow for immediate interpretations of what they witness.

The Black Vault is another great source of evidence. The collection of actual documents is a great source of evidence, provided they can be authenticated.

For myself, videos and film and especially photographs are only compelling in this day in age if they are also corroborated by multiple eyewitnesses who claim to have seen the same thing, without knowing one another. Such as the Phoenix lights, or the Mexico City sitings, or even Majagorie(sp?).

The Monuments of Mars is a compelling case because it is actual NASA telemetry.

I have no interest in debunking. Reality doesn't care about what people think or believe. Reality is going to be whatever it wants to be. So I just want to make as certain as I can that I'm looking at the real stuff. grin
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 3rd, 2005, 8:46pm »

Some of the most compelling footage is from NASA. There are a few clips that are just jaw dropping. Do a little digging and you're bound to run into them. Intersesting you brought up mars. I was researching some things that caught my attention about the moon (Richard Hoagland type stuff) and i found a site that detailed mars anomalies.http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/cydonia/asom/artifact%5Fhtml/
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 3rd, 2005, 10:16pm »

Yes, I find the Monuments of Mars extremely compelling because not only is there NASA telemetry, but there are actual physical objects you can go to and photograph, examine, or touch anytime you have the will and money to do so.

I wrote my own essay on it.

http://www.jaesonjrakman.com/Cydonia%20101/PAGES/PAGE1895hkmd759830.htm
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« Reply #8 on: Feb 11th, 2005, 8:02pm »

Anyone ever hear of Fermi's question?

<ul><tt><a href="http://www.bayarea.net/~kins/AboutMe/Fermi_and_Teller/fermi_question.html
">Where is Everybody?</a></tt></ul>

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« Reply #9 on: Feb 11th, 2005, 9:34pm »

I've never heard of it before. It's interesting.

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Since that interval is short compared with the age of the Galaxy, he then concluded that the absence of settlers or evidence of their engineering projects in the Solar System meant that there are no extraterrestrials.


This assumes a few things. First, that any interstellar civilization is currently active. It could very well be that any evidence of any "projects" are buried under millenia of sand on other planets.

Also it assumes that interstellar travelers will leave their "projects" in plain open sight for everyone to see. possibly the equivallent of allowing a pygmie to walk up to Area 51 or some other comparable military instalation to have a look.

Also it assumes that some great galactic community should be clamoring to make public contact with us. When they may just be sending their equivalent of the occasional "National Geographic Explorer" over here to study the primitive natives.


Also, I don't believe in the "God's Quarantine" scenario. In which the distances are so great that interstellar travel is impossible. That makes the assumption that human beings currently possess the sum total of all potential knowledge. I'm guessing there's a wee bit of physics we don't yet understand, and reaching "light speed" may in fact be irrelevant.


This reminds me of the Drake Equation:

http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious/Topics/SETI/drake_equation.html



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