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Fire In The Sky
Post by Lucy on Oct 27th, 2003, 7:36pm

Some of you may be familiar with this story. They even made a movie about it.

http://www.anw.com/fire/fireinthesky.htm
Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by Noah on Oct 28th, 2003, 06:12am

The Travis Walton case is one of the few that always amazes me. Whenever I get frustrated with the whole ufo research bit, I go back and read his book. The book was much more interesting than the movie, hollywood blew the movie out of porportion for scare effect. You can check out the book here:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1569247102/ufowisconsin-20


Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by taldwarf on Nov 3rd, 2003, 05:35am

The Travis Walton story might have holes within it. It's interesting that Phillip Klass should write up a statement on why he feels this didn't occur. So Jenny, have at this one. undecided

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/abduct068.html

Bill wink
Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by Lucy on Nov 3rd, 2003, 08:01am

hi Bill,

I didn't read the whole story. I stopped when they said this happened in Arizona. If they can't get the fact where this suppose to have happend right, I don't have alot of faith the rest of the story is correct either.

Who knows what really happened. When it comes to abduction stories, you can't win either way. If you talk about it your "crazy", if you don't, it will make you go crazy sad
Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by Noah on Nov 3rd, 2003, 11:15am

Hi,

Thanks for that link Bill. I can honestly say that I've watched the movie, but have not read the book. I think I'll get it. As Lucy said though, there's no way to win at this point. I know I tend to be overly-skeptical about a lot of different cases, but at this point its almost a personal preference as to what you are willing to believe & what makes sense to you. After reading that article, there are a few questions I'd yet like to ask the author of that. Also, I think part of the problem with investigations is people are either 1) true believers & trying to prove their point, or 2) disbelievers and are trying to prove their point. So either way, the researcher is biased towards a specific goal.

Jenny

Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by taldwarf on Nov 3rd, 2003, 12:50pm

Lucy, I guess in the long run, to talk about the abduction, would be better than to go crazy from it. Though, that might be the case in the longer run anyway.
Though he got the location wrong, I'm wondering with some of the statements made by Travis's family members, if this could actually be only one of the multiple abductions Travis has actually discovered.
Only he would know or tell. shocked
Bests, Bill
Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by Noah on Nov 4th, 2003, 06:26am

Hi Lucy,

I thought this did happen in Arizona, somewhere in the White Mountains (which Snowflake is there). I first saw the movie when I was living in Phoenix, and remember asking my ex to take me up north to see if we could find the UFOs.

Jen
Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by trazzie on Nov 4th, 2003, 09:36am

Hi all Im trazzie,Im new to the forum and hope I am welcome. Ive been interested in UFO's since I was about five years old.Which took the place of dinosaurs
And volcanos.Well enough about me.In order for me to perticipate.I guess I need to get my feet wet.(ie.)Question or oppinion. Or maybe even both.I noticed that the conversation went from abduction to religion rather quickly.I failed to make that connection with the
story. Fire In The Sky. That is my question?You can be bold in your answer Im 48 now.yours truly trazzie
Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by taldwarf on Nov 4th, 2003, 11:10am

Hi Trazzie,
Your answer to what question/s? undecided
Trazzie, read yours again. I didn't see a question phrased by you? LOL cheesy

Bill
Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by Noah on Nov 4th, 2003, 11:15am

Hi Trazzie,

You are very welcome to the board, I hope we get more people joining!

I think you are asking how the thread on Fire in the Sky went from abductions to spirituality. The answer is it didn't. If you read the "10 most recent posts" that is a mixture of whatever topics have been started or had replies. There are threads on this board about spirituality, but they're under the "religion" category. Hope that makes sense.

Jenny
Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by trazzie on Nov 4th, 2003, 12:37pm

I think I got on the wrong page.somehow .forgive me as i said im new here.OOPS. trazzie sincely. PS. the effex in the movie might have been much. But im sure there might have been some collaberation with Jhon travis.But what truly amazes me is no one talks about eating' being hungry or useing the bathroom. One would wonder after five days .
Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by Noah on Nov 4th, 2003, 7:35pm

Hi trazzie,

No harm done! Look forward to seeing more posts from you. You did bring up a good point, in a warped way alien abduction stories are similar to soap opera's or sitcoms. Nobody eats or goes to the bathroom there either. Wonder why that is (regarding the abductions, not the tv shows)

Jenny


Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by taldwarf on Nov 5th, 2003, 04:06am

Well Jenny, first off, I live in South Milwaukee, WI
Doreen and I discussed the program for a bit before she left the room.
Being Wiccan, she doesn't place much faith in any of these reports, claiming mostly that the Christian Church made up or stole most everything conceived from the pagans who came before them. Even our holidays were taken from pagan holidays. She believes Christ existed, as did other prophets, but looks at him more as a huskster selling newspapers on the street.
The Bible, written and rewritten by man, says whatever man says it says, which is mostly interpetation upon interpetation, as is most everything 1000 or more years back.
So thats my 2 bits worth. Myself, if you want to believe in something, believe in yourself. That will be the only one who will truely be with you when you die.
Bill
Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by taldwarf on Nov 5th, 2003, 04:27am

We once discussed this Poo-Poo topic, in a yahoo group of rougly 25 - 50 abductees or experiencers, (I think they prefer the later title, but I'd have to ask again) but the concenius was for the most part, nothing was given to anyone to eat, (with the exception of Joe Simington, from WI, who was not an abductee, but did receive 3 cardboard tasting pancakes from Italian looking ET's), they may have been given water, but most reported ingesting a liquid of sorts, for whatever purpose. No one spoke of the Poo-Poo situation till near the very end of the session, when a woman came foreward and mentioned that she had to do her second duty during an experience and was either pointed to or escorted to an area that had something you sit on with a hole in it, much like an out house without walls. She remembers going, but doesn't remember what happened after that. Apparently, the ET's are concerned about restroom memory retrevials also. Owwww, but how does one deal with no TP, not a newspaper in site, d**n, not even a tree and its fall outside. rolleyes
I'll ask Jim to pop in and give a report.

Bests,
Bill
Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by trazzie on Nov 6th, 2003, 07:59am

Thank you for the reply. I do remember alittle about the story of the guy who shared cardboard tasteing pancake food. And come to think of it .Thats the only one I can think of. ty for reminding me .
Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by Noah on Nov 6th, 2003, 11:14am

If you're interested in the alien/pancake story, it is at: http://www.ufowisconsin.com/pancakeperspectives.html

We had a newsletter inspired by that story for about a year. The original story & the archives of the newsletter are online at the above address.

Jenny
Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by jwb on Nov 9th, 2003, 10:25pm

Not using the poddy while being abducted is a quantum thing having to do with time and other realities! The grays have control of time. You can in our time be gone for five days but be in the presents of the aliens for only five hours! Or they can take you away for five days and return you at about the same second that you left. Just a burp or a flutter of the hart you may think!
If you walk into another reality, do not turn right or left, you will be lost! Just back out!
Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by trazzie on Nov 10th, 2003, 11:58am

so if you turned around and faced the same way you came in.Would'nt your left be your right? Or would the opening move with you and always be at your back.
Then if the latter is true . There would be no left or right so you could not get lost.Hummm now I have a headache.Im still haveing a hard time wraping my head around the string theroies.The more time the brains
spend on trying to understand these theroies. The farther they take themselves away from the real question.What is gravity.Einstein tried to discover this but only found the answer to E=mc (ect.ect.) And even tho this was a remarkable finding for electro magnetic
current.He failed to answer (What Is Gravity).No other scientist has been able to answer this question ether.
Mathamatics just seem to unravel or end when applying
it to the task of definement.So if you dont get hungry or thristy or have to go potty.Then why did these aileans stop for water and pancakes.I think it was just another experiment to see if we would still share something as simple as cakes and water.With something we do not understand.I wish they would bring me some asperins.
And I would give them a cheeze head hat from the packers stadium.A fair trade I believe.Trazzie truly.


Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by trazzie on Nov 10th, 2003, 12:10pm

P.S.If your an aliean.lol I was only jokeing about the asprins.Visit me anytime.your pal Trazzie jwb.
Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by trazzie on Dec 3rd, 2003, 2:23pm

What happened ? Hope I did'nt scare everybody off with my ignorance my arrogance or my intelligence.
probibly my spelling. Im sorry if I did. Maybe it was my
sence of humor you were'nt ready for either way sorry.
Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by Noah on Dec 3rd, 2003, 6:15pm

Hi Trazzie,

You don't have to apologize for a thing! I think the board goes in spurts, or - well, at least the people who post go in spurts. Some of the threads seem to die off but then are resurrected later. As for the spelling, I was able to figure our what you were saying smiley

Jen
Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by trazzie on Dec 4th, 2003, 08:20am

ty jen ive noticed that the sightings here in wisconsin seem to come in groups of two or more.and ive always
wondered if they were the same sighting just on different days doing different tasks which might explain why the sightings seem to be unrelated and described
differently. what do you think?
Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by trazzie on Jan 27th, 2004, 10:49am

well looks like this dead horse has been beat enough
so lets talk about another perspective of the pancake
In some of the what they call true crop circles>The grain was missing from the heads of wheat. No one mentions missing corn from corn circles.Is it an oversight? Or do they have a preference to just grain.Was the grain just undeveloped or harvested? If it was undeveloped That would mean the circle was present befor the crop grew and then appeared after it had matured.Or it was harvested which would mean they might use it to make these pancakes.If so why dont we hear about sugarcane circles just to sweeten up the pancakes unless they have an aborance or allergy to sugar.Which brings me to another question slightly unrelated.But I feel justified simply because I love asking questions especialy if they are the right ones.Do you think they'er intelligence is a cumulation of thousands of years of study.Or do you think it is inherited thru the genes like instinks are inherited in plants animal and bugs IE salmon returning to the spauning ground where there conception began> thank you for your feedback.Its highly appreciated. truly trazzie
Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by trazzie on Jan 27th, 2004, 10:51am

sorry i ment instincts
Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by jenny on Jan 28th, 2004, 05:30am

Hi Trazzie,

I've heard lots of theories on crop circles. It is possible that they are highly advanced beings who are trying to communicate with us via the circles. However the problem I have with that is if they were so highly advanced and were watching us, they'd have to be able to figure out that we weren't on their level to be able to read/comprehend their circles. They could still be leaving them for us to figure out in the future, but I don't think that helps much because they get plowed down & all we have left is photos.

There is a pretty good website on crop circles at: http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/connect.html

Jen

Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by trazzie on Jan 28th, 2004, 10:14am

thank you jenny for the web site going to check it out now talk to you and everyone later trazzie
Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by Abducti01 on Mar 13th, 2004, 04:18am

Hi all,
Fire in the sky was a bit blown out of wack by hollywood! Im sure it was scarey as there is nothing worse then feeling helpless,but some details were beefed up a bit for movie goers, i guess i too need to read that book! A really rough encounter book was Witnessed! by: Bud Hopkins, I have spoken to the woman in the book on the phone,and met the writter in New York. If you like to read about Abductions,its a great detailed story, the abduction was witnessed by very important people including a cardnal of the catholic faith!
Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by Kurkie on Oct 20th, 2004, 6:15pm

Dear Bill,
I’ve been reading this rooms comment for a while now… Fire in the sky was one of the best “evidence” stories ever and I really believe that it happened to that poor soul. And I do agree with you in a way…. At www.bibleufo.com you can read about how 80% of the bible were destroyed by profits and kings. They have found some of it and its available on a free download PDF format on www.diegideons.co.za but its in Afrikaans but there will probably be in English as well. The bible is nothing but a book of stories told over and over again “with some info removed out and some added to suit different believes” If you feel that you are really doing the right thing in your heart and you get that warm feeling in your blood after doing it…..God believes that you did the right ting and will not judge you on it. Sorry if I said something that offended some of the readers but that’s how I feel about it.

Thanx Kurk

Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by tbeaux on Apr 25th, 2005, 6:31pm

Found an old reference searching the web about Joe Simington, whom I met approx '57-'59 when our family visited his home near Eagle River, while on our summer vacation. He showed us the "pancakes" that he received in exchange for water. The pancakes were small and pourous (as much see-through air holes as matter) he kept them in a mason jar. He lage shade tree was pruned off in the upper branches. like being planed off. He told his whole story...I was spellbound.....I remember every detail.
Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by tbeaux on Apr 25th, 2005, 6:56pm

I just found Joe's story on your site...and learned it was '61...otherwise all else is correct. I also saw the report which said "wheatlike" it further said "not found on earth"
Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by tbeaux on Apr 26th, 2005, 7:38pm

Can you direct me to the Joe Simington story on your site ...Please
Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by jenny on Apr 27th, 2005, 05:43am

http://www.ufowisconsin.com/county/reports/r1961_0418_vilas.html


Re: Fire In The Sky
Post by elmo on Dec 10th, 2007, 6:02pm

Hi, I am new but have researched aliens and abductions for some time now.

Has anyone ever considered "sleep paralysis" as a reason for abductions that seem real? Although I believe there is something out there, and have read Fire in the Sky as well as the movie, Sleep paralysis expains a lot. I have experienced it twice in my lifetime, and it seems very real. I experienced an UFO sighting at age 3 and remember it fully. I have a cousin and grandmother who were with me and experienced the same.

Doesn't seem to be very many chatting in this room, is the topic dead these days?