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« Thread started on: Oct 18th, 2003, 12:46pm »

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I'd like to hear everyone's opinions on alien channeling. Do you think its real? Have you had experiences with it? I've not witnessed anyone doing the actual channeling, I've read many books about it though.

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« Reply #1 on: Oct 27th, 2003, 05:05am »

Hi Jenny,
And after you'd read all those books, what did you come to as a conclusion and be mindful of this, we'd like you to give us your honest opinions. LOL!
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« Reply #2 on: Oct 27th, 2003, 06:33am »

Hi Bill,

Well, since you asked smiley

I believe that anything is possible, whether its actually happening or not, I tend to doubt. The concept of alien channeling seems rather far-fetched to me. To think that advanced beings would travel however many light years to get to Earth, and then talk telepathically ONLY to "certain" individuals, giving the same information that's already in the bible, only re-hashed & more pleasant, seems absurd. This isn't to say its not possible, just that it seems unlikely to actually happen. I have asked questions to people who channel, such as "why do the aliens only talk to select individuals", and "why can't the aliens tell us something we don't know in the hopes of proving themselves", and I've not gotten any satisfactory answers. Also, all of the channeled transcripts I've seen online and in books are extremely vague, there's nothing in there to make me think a more advanced being is talking to us.

Just my 2 cents smiley

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« Reply #3 on: Oct 27th, 2003, 06:49am »

I'd just like to address an assumption that I see made over and over and over about aliens and channeling.

People keep on saying "if they are such advanced beings..." Doesn't that seem very bigoted? It presumes that we are inferior. Just because they are in a different position, that doesn't make them better.

For sake of analogy, is a single mother without a car an inferior person to a stockbroker with a BMW? They are both people, just in different positions. Just because the ETs have neater stuff doesn't mean they are better than us spiritually.

I have seen a number of aliens channeled. One in particular says there is NO WAY he'd want to live on earth and go through what we do. Now, doesn't that make us tougher than him? We are in the game, they are just coaches.

As far as them just talking to certain people, it is because of an agreement before birth. It also comes with responsibility. Jenny, if you were able to have a channeled contact, would you be willing to give up your job and house to relay the messages you get around the world the best you can?

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« Reply #4 on: Oct 27th, 2003, 06:53am »

I have to head out but wanted to reply real quick to one statement you made. You said:

"As far as them just talking to certain people, it is because of an agreement before birth. It also comes with responsibility. Jenny, if you were able to have a channeled contact, would you be willing to give up your job and house to relay the messages you get around the world the best you can?"

My answer: yes I would, ina heartbeat. For the past 2 years I've given up a lot of things, including any semblance of having a life, to devote all my spare time to running UFOWisconsin. I don't think people have a clue how much time & energy I've devoted to that site. That is partially what makes me doubt the existence of channeling . . . any alien who is looking for a good spokesperson, a motivated person willing to do the hard work to get the message out, would come visit me. wink

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« Reply #5 on: Oct 27th, 2003, 11:18am »

Hello,

I'd like to address another point. In reference to what you said:

"People keep on saying "if they are such advanced beings..." Doesn't that seem very bigoted? It presumes that we are inferior. Just because they are in a different position, that doesn't make them better. "

True, being advanced does not make them 'better', and I never said it did. However, would you say people alive on earth today are smarter about certain things than they were say 100 years ago? Along with advancing technologically does come advancement in our mentalities (true, not all). However, if these aliens have the power to travel through the galaxies, something we can only dream about, that does make them smarter in certain regards. Why would they use their advanced technology to talk to only certain individuals? That's the part that doesn't make sense to me. This has nothing to do with us or them being better, simply stating that if all the talk about aliens is true, they are smarter, aka more advanced, technologically, than we currently are. And to me, spirituality has yet to come into this. I simply find it amusing that all the channeled material is spiritual in nature, mostly rehashes of what we already know. So in that case, why even bother coming to earth? If we haven't gotten it by now we probably won't, rewording it doesn't make it sink in any deeper into our thick skulls.

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« Reply #6 on: Feb 11th, 2004, 08:07am »

As far as why they only talk to certain people, I don't know and I personally disagree with that policy. But I don't understand why. I have asked about it and gotten somewhat vague answers.

Hi Jenny, just a thought about the topic. You wrote:

"to me, spirituality has yet to come into this. I simply find it amusing that all the channeled material is spiritual in nature, mostly rehashes of what we already know."

Perhaps think about it like, hmm, not sure if this is a good analogy or not, but when you learned math in school, the teacher perhaps had a good share in showing you how to do it. Now, you could say that you could have just read a math book and learn it just the same. You could also say "this just rehashes what we already know."

But it's just a manner of passing down information. The teacher didn't invent math, they learned it the same way you did. Would they complain if you said 2+2=4 that you stole the idea from them? I don't think so, I think they'd be happy that you learned that fact.

I think the aliens are similar. They see a different perspective, and try to cover our blindspots. But part of channeling is them learning from us also.

But even though I've come to believe channeling is real (and it took quite a while) if a channeled source told me that 2+2=4, I'd certainly want to verify that by looking at sources that I could touch and feel.

Maybe these alien sources want us to do the same? To just attempt to give us the push toward actually working to find our own answers?

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« Reply #7 on: Feb 11th, 2004, 5:20pm »

Well your analogy of learning math in school doesn't cut it. A teacher at a school teaches a whole class of student, they do not teach 1 individual student & then expect that student to proselytize the information & teach it to the others students.

I've known a few people who do channeling, but I also have read up on the subject from books, watching documentaries, searching sites on the net, etc., and while I think anything is possible, I don't think alien channeling is a very plausible phenomenon.

Other comments I hear from channelers that don't cut it are:

1) you wouldn't believe us unless we brought you a piece of the ship

this is not true, period. There are many ways it could be proven to me, which I have mentioned some of the ways to some of the channelers and they simply won't do it.

2) the aliens are spiritual beings simply trying to help us find our way

this is not true, period. If it was, they would teach ALL of us, not a select few. The problem is that in the same example of the math teacher, if the math teacher taught just me & then told me to teach others , how good of a job would I do? Definitely not as good as the real teacher, I may have misunderstood things, I may have forgotten things, and I may get an ego complex thinking I'm just as good as a teacher who has a degree even if I'm not.

I could go on & on but I worked very late tonight and am tired. Bottom line is there is 1 surefire way to get me to believe in alien channeling, and that is: have the alien tell me something about myself that NOBODY else would know. Easy. Simple. Doesn't require a piece of a ship either. Yet somehow, I know for a fact no channeler will take me up on that. Wonder why? wink

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« Reply #8 on: Feb 12th, 2004, 11:41am »

Jenny wrote:

"I could go on & on but I worked very late tonight and am tired. Bottom line is there is 1 surefire way to get me to believe in alien channeling, and that is: have the alien tell me something about myself that NOBODY else would know. Easy. Simple. Doesn't require a piece of a ship either. Yet somehow, I know for a fact no channeler will take me up on that. Wonder why?"

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I agree with you on that one, about the people who have been in contact seeming to keep the information to themselves and consider it their property. If it's universal info, it's universal and everyone should have access to it and be able to use their brains combined with their everyday experience to determine if it's right or wrong.

Of course then what convinced me that a channeled source was actually real was telling me something that no one knew, so I can agree with your point, as I once agreed on that myself.

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« Reply #9 on: Feb 12th, 2004, 11:46am »

Hi Jim,

Doesn't it strike you as odd that the aliens only talk to a select few? Doesn't it also strike you as odd that the select few do all they can to keep the info & the alien all to themselves? Doesn't it strike you odd that the channelers get this information from allegedly intelligent alien beings who have monitored us for eons & know the type of society we live in, yet nobody ever gives anything to back up what they say? THey never give any new information or anything startling - only vague rehashes of biblical stuff? Too many oddities for me to give this any more serious consideration.

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« Reply #10 on: Apr 28th, 2004, 8:00pm »

Hi. I came across this site while doing a search on like subjects, and would like to try to clear some things up, but note of a thing or two first. First of all we all have our own beliefs on everything, and should just all agree to disagree(as the world would be a better place),second when ppl who do not believe in something say to those who do "prove it" I say to them disprove it smiley Anyway smiley Select fewhuh travel lightyearshuh Say the same things that we already know? Well folks aren't these the things that are deemed most important of all things, and aren't we still so blind to them, and until we actually do come to understand such things do we move on? Such entities don't just pick a select few, or at that rate(although they surely can and most likely do) travel lightyears. There is no distance when it comes to thought, and not everyone is aware that this can be harnessed and used insuch a way(mediums so to speak have this) Did God just select a few, or was it that just certian ppl could hear God? Take a radio with no antenna, what do you get, now attach an antenna to it. Same thing smiley Hope some of this may help, as it's not anything to do with lightyears,select few, or repeated messages that seem to mean nothing smiley Jim
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« Reply #11 on: Apr 28th, 2004, 8:16pm »

Hi there,

Each of us has the right to believe in things. The problem I have with alien channeling is this: IF the aliens are channeling with humans, this is one of the single most important things to ever happen in the history of the world. This could end all arguments of whether there is life out there; this could solve a lot of mysteries. If someone wants to believe aliens are talking to them, fine, but if that same person builds a website about it or writes a book about it or in some way tries to tell as many people as possible, then the burder of proof is on that person. We live in a world where proof is necessary in our daily lives at lots of levels. Why would this be any different? If someone wants to just have fun and believe they are Luke Skywalker or a hobbit, fine, but don't be trying to tell me aliens have selected you as a spokesperson without something to back it up.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

And remember - the burden of proof is on the one making the claims, not those of us stuck listening to the senseless drivel.

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« Reply #12 on: Apr 28th, 2004, 9:22pm »

thx for replying. On who's authority is the burder of proof put on the believer? I will just ask this one question of you? I am not one to debate for I feel others must discover things for themselves(experience is the best proof of all) Anyway, Do you believe there is a God? If so what proof do you establish this on? Faith.
A book? There's no difference for thos who follow such a belief, but have a hard time even being open to anything that offers anything more, or in some way seems challenging. I fully understand your view of the matter. As I said I do not debate such issues, however I do, and will relate to one's interested in such ventures smiley Thank you very much for your time smiley
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« Reply #13 on: Apr 28th, 2004, 9:55pm »

I forgot to add this to my last post. Please pardon me on that. The proof that people so desire can be right infront of them, yet they will not see it. It's not that hard to understand why either. Aliens, as you all so kindly put it have been giving mankind proof since the begining of man. How is this proof seen by the ones who claim they want it? A hoax,a creative imagination
a dream, it goes on and on. If you so desire proof, then open you mind, hold back on your beliefs interposing, refrain from getting defensive( name calling, giving labels) and perhaps you will find it, in the history books
and in the here and now. A blind man picked up a hammer and saw smiley thank you again, Jim
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« Reply #14 on: Apr 29th, 2004, 05:38am »

Hello again. Let's use an example here. Let's say you walk out of your house & see someone in the act of smashing your windshield. You call the cops, They arrest the man. You press charges. You go to the court, and tell the judge "this man damaged my car, I saw it with my own eyes". The judge will say "ok, show me your proof". You will say "well I didn't take any pictures or hire a lawyer or get other witnesses because heck, I saw him do it, don't need much more proof than that do ya?" What do you think the judge will do? He'll dismiss the case for lack of evidence. I could go on & on with various examples of how proof is required in our daily lives, but won't bore you.

I thought I made myself clear inmy other post but I guess I didn't. If you want to believe that aliens are communicating with you, that is fine & I have no problem with it. However, when you start 'preaching' that info to others, via the internet, a written book, or standing up in front of people giving a lecture on it, or in any way telling others about it, THEN the burden of proof is on you, because extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I believe a lot of things, but I don't start crusades about them. The problem here is, belief does not equal truth. What would you think if I told you that the sun rises in the West where I live? It does, every day, every morning, the sun rises in the west. You want a picture? Sorry can't do that. You want some proof? Sorry can't do that either. Just believe. That's what you're asking me to do. You're telling me an outrageous tale & then refusing to back it up with anything. For some reason channelers adamantly refuse questions on their tales either. Makes me rather suspicious.

As for saying people overlook the truth that is right in front of them, I disagree. I think that is a cop-out answer regarding the aliens. My other favorite cop out answer is "you wouldn't believe us if we showed you a piece of the ship". There are very very simply ways to prove that channeling is true, yet I have not found a single channeler willing to stand up to the test.

I'd also like to state that if I was channeling an alien, I'd be shouting that information from the rooftops, but I'd also be willing to answer questions about it, because I'd have nothing to hide. Yet the channelers don't like being questioned & tend to preach to those already who believe. People who refuse to answer questions obviously have something to hide. Think about that.

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